– Well, welcome, everybody. This is our Go Blue Med Twitter chat. It’s a bunch of University
of Michigan medical students answering questions from
prospective students. We’re excited to be here. I guess the format is is
we’ve been kind of given a lot of questions. We’ve condensed them down as best we can and we’re gonna be taking
some live questions as well. Let me introduce myself. My name is Jonathan. I’m from El Paso, Texas. I’m in the MD PhD program here at the University of Michigan, and I’m in my third
year of graduate school. An M3G3 is what I’m
technically classified as. – I’m Sam, I’m an M4. I’m from Skokie, Illinois, and I went to Carlton
College for undergrad, where I did an English and
chemistry double major. – I’m Dez, I’m a third year. Well, just finished up my second year, starting third year. I’m from New Boston, Michigan, so down river area, and I went to the University of
Michigan for undergrad. – I’m Lucille, I’m an M1. I’m from Dearborn, Michigan, and I went to U of M for undergrad. I took a gap year after. – I’m Kevin, I’m an M2
from Ann Arbor originally, but went to college out in Massachusetts at Williams College, and excited to be here today. – Excellent. Okay, so we’re gonna get
started with our first question. And that is, what’s one cool
thing you did in the past week? I’ll start if that’s
okay, just ’cause I’ll answer a few questions
along with everybody else. I actually took a motorcycle safety class this past weekend, so
I learned how to ride a motorcycle with another MD PhD student. It was a lot of fun. We interfaced with a
lot of different people in the Ann Arbor community,
so it was really cool, and it was something different outside of our normal worlds.
– Nice. I am one of four people who are in charge of a musical
that we do every year here, called “The Smoker”. And this past Monday we got
a group of people together and we talked through kind
of the plot of the musical, ’cause we write it and
produce the whole thing. – All right, so I just finished
my last day of clerkship, my rotations yesterday.
– Congratulations. – Congrats.
– Thanks. And to finish it, the team
that I was working with allowed me to like do a bedside
procedure on my patient. So that was really cool, that was fun. – So this week’s been
pretty busy school-wise. We’ve been busy with
anatomy, we’ve got a quiz. But I think something that was really fun was my friends and I managed to spontaneously have like
a game night on Sunday. So like eight of us got
together super late, after a long day of studying
and just played cards, had fun, laughed a lot. So it was a really fun time. – Yeah, so all the M2s
are actually gonna start their clinical rotations on Monday, so we’re in a period of
our curriculum called transition of clerkships. And so as a part of that curriculum, we had like a procedures
day where we learned how to do IVs, and draw blood, and do some ultrasound-guided procedures. That was a pretty cool
thing we did this week, too. – Nice.
– Awesome. Cool, all right, so we’ve got a question kinda related to admissions. And that is, what factors
in your application do you think most contributed to your acceptance at Michigan? Any specific activities
or extracurriculars? And also, what month did you apply? So I’ll let you all go ahead, whoever wants to go first. – I’m pretty fresh out of the process, so I feel like I can talk about this. You said the first part was what aspect of my application helped
me get in, I think? – Yeah, what factors in your application helped you get in?
– I don’t think there’s like a specific formula of like activities or numbers to have, but
I think the fact that my application reflected things that I was passionate about, so diverse activities that I cared about, whatever they may be for you, and whatever they were
for me, I think because I cared a lot about them and could go on, and on, and on about
like, my clinical experiences or my volunteering or my major, that that served me really well. So that’s something I would recommend for people who are applying. Make sure the things that you’re doing you’re really passionate about. And the second part of that question. – So any specific activities
or extracurricular, and then what month did you apply? – Yeah, so I submitted my primary in June, first week of June, and my secondaries throughout the month of July. I highly recommend soon, the
sooner the better definitely. – Definitely. – And like I said, that’s not to say that if you submitted in August, oh, that’s it. But sooner’s always better. And I think my extracurriculars that I think really helped me stand out was my clinical experience. So like I said, I took a
gap year after undergrad, and I had a whole year of
experience in the hospital, and I think because it’s so hard to get that experience in undergrad, if you take some time off, definitely look for maybe like a scribing job, or medical assistant, anything where you can really interact with patients, because it’s a very unique experience that I think is helping
me now as a med student. – Great, thanks Lucille.
– Yeah. – Anybody had a, yeah, Kevin. – So I guess one thing
that kinda stuck out in my application was I was
a student athlete in college. So I was on the football
team all through undergrad. And I think as a student athlete, it really kinda translates
to medicine well as being part of a team, understanding how to interact with a whole bunch of different,
diverse teammates, and knowing your role within a team. So I think that was one
thing that kinda stuck out in my application. And as far as what month. I was a little bit later in applying. There were a couple of extraneous things outside of the application
process that happened during my life during that point. But things that I kind of talked about during my personal statement
and during my interviews. So I think sent my primaries in in July and had all of my
secondaries in by August. So a little bit later, but definitely all of the advice that I’ve heard also is early as possible to get
those in the better.- – Yeah. Cool. We can move on to the
next question, I think. Thanks, guys.
– Yeah. – So this question, next question is, what would you consider to be the greatest strengths of
Michigan’s curriculum? And is there anything you would change? How receptive are faculty
and administration to student feedback? So strengths of our curriculum. – Hmm. So I will say as a
student who just finished, like, the clerkship year, getting the exposure to patients and just working with patients earlier has been really beneficial. ‘Cause I’ve always kind of
been like a hands-on learner, and just being able to work with patients as opposed to sitting in a classroom for two years straight
was one big thing for me, and I think that that’s kind of helped me solidify a lot of the information as well as just like, learn it,
’cause like on the move you’re kind of learning, you’re forced to learn it, actually. And that’s kind of helped me overall. And I think I’ve
appreciated that a lot more as opposed to just
starting my clerkship year as a third year. But because of that,
also, there’s a lot of, the faculty and everyone’s very receptive to feedback that the students give, just because we’re kind of
like in this transition period, or we were in this transition period when I was going through it. So they were like very
open, very receptive to all of our feedback
and they were kind of very flexible with just like things that, the student’s needs kind of became like, the administration’s needs. And we were able to work
together throughout the year. So that was really great. – I think, so as a fourth year, I am a branch student. And even people in the medical school kind of struggle with
knowing what that means. But I’m here to tell you that
I know what the branches are. I can explain them. So our curriculum is,
the analogy that we use is that it’s like a tree. So the first couple of
years are the trunks. You have the pre-clinical,
the scientific trunk, and then the clinical trunk, and then third and fourth
year are the branches. And so what is really nice
about Michigan’s curriculum is that your third and fourth
year is all elective time, whereas other schools
only your fourth year is elective time. So it gives you a lot of flexibility to do a lot of really
cool things and research that you are interested in. So for example, I’m doing a clinical ethics fellowship right now that is like seven months
long, where I get to work on our institutional ethics
consultation service, and I don’t have to delay
graduation in order to do this. – Cool.
– And that’s not an opportunity that I would
have had at any other school. – Awesome. Okay, I’m gonna move
onto the next question. This is specifically for you, Lucille. – Okay. – ‘Cause you are a first-year student. – Yeah.
– How have your first weeks lined up with your expectations? And how have they been different? And then I’ll ask you the
second question in a second. – Okay, so how have they been the same, and how they’ve been different. – Yeah, your expectations of coming in the first weeks of school here. – I would say they’ve
been mostly different, but not in like a total 180 way, but maybe the extent of like, what I was, or the magnitude of what I was expecting. So let me give you an example. Most of us know med school’s rigorous. It’s a lot of information, and you spend a lot of time studying. But you don’t really know how much or what it’s like until
you’re actually in it. And that was tough. I’m seven weeks in. It’s still tough, but
every day does get easier. But that being said, I
think the feeling I get when I finish a really hard quiz, or walk out of anatomy lab, or just have done something really tough that I’ve never really done before is so rewarding, and
it’s a rewarding feeling that I didn’t know I
could feel to this extent. So it goes both ways. It’s tough, but it’s rewarding. And something else that I
didn’t really understand before coming in. I knew that like, family is important, and having a good support system, and friends are important, but I think the people
that I’ve met in my class, and the friends that I’ve made are more amazing than I ever, like, this is so cheesy but it’s so true. When you’re really
struggling through material, or just like really tired, and you know you have really
good friends you can count on in your class, it’s a really great feeling and I’m very grateful for it here, and I didn’t know that I’d meet such great people here. So very grateful for that. – Cool.
– I hope that answers the question. – That’s a really nice segue. The second part of the question is, what has been your best strategy for self-care during this time? So it sounds like the social
support from your friends has been really important. What else have you felt like,
have you built in self-care? – Self-care. So I learned a lot of good
self-care in my gap year. Highly recommend taking that time off. But I think ways I incorporate self-care is kind of making it a priority. So we’re really busy sometimes through required events, studying, if it’s a quiz weekend or whatever, but making sure the same way
you schedule in studying, you schedule in an hour of, I’m gonna watch three
episodes of “The Office”, or I’m gonna call my friend who is in dental school in another state. Or I’m gonna go for a walk
outside, go to the Arb. You have to tell yourself that
this is what I’m gonna do. And even if you’re like, “Oh,
I’m too behind for this.” You’re not, because you’re gonna do that hour of self-care
and you’re gonna feel really much better when you
come back and sit down to keep studying. So making it a priority. Kind of before you start school, think about the things
that make you feel at ease, the things that make you happy and really try to keep
that a part of your life, even if it’s just an hour a day. It’s really not that much. – That’s awesome. And I think that, and you’ll may have some feedback for this, but I think that our administration and the kind of gestalt to the med school is
always concerned about how you’re doing as a
person and self-care. – Right, yeah.
– At least that’s always been present for me–
– Yeah, I agree. – As I’ve gone through, so it’s nice to know that people are
thinking about that, and that’s an important thing for us. Cool, thank you.
– Yeah. – Next question has to
do with Ann Arbor, A2. So for those moving from
a big city to Ann Arbor, how was your transition? And the second part of the question is, what do you all do outside of school? So anybody move from a
big city to Ann Arbor? – Kind of.
– Yeah, kind of. – So I’m from Ann Arbor originally, but I did a gap year in Philadelphia. – Okay, cool. – So Ann Arbor has
always kind of been home, so it’s a little bit
different of an answer for me, but I think one of the things I love most about Ann Arbor is that it’s a small town, college town feel, but there’s everything you want in a town. So like, the Main Street
has incredible restaurants, really cool bars and places to go. The Arb is a huge park kind of like in the middle of the city
right next to the hospital. So having a weekend free,
or even like a night to go walk through the
Arb kind of right next to the Huron River is
always a great thing. – Absolutely.
– One of my favorite things is going to the farmer’s
market on Saturday mornings. They have like, these incredible samples and different local farmers come and bring all their like, crops, or eggs, or cheeses, or all of the
above that’s kinda there. – Which is really a short walk from most we live.
– Right. It’s probably a five-minute
walk from the medical school. – Yes, it’s really easy to get to. – So it’s a little town where people know a lot of other people
and it’s really familiar. You can run into people on the street that you know from, in
my case, from childhood, but it’s also big enough that like, you never feel kind of
contained by it, too. – What do you all do in Ann Arbor? – Yeah, I feel like Kevin
described a lot of like, the big, key features of
Ann Arbor that I love. I love living here. I did not come from a big city. I went to school in Northfield, Minnesota, which is like this tiny
little town, 20,000 people. But in terms of like, thing that I do. So I have a goal to
eat at every restaurant worth eating at in Ann
Arbor before I graduate. So that’s the first thing. So like, I have a lot of
recommendations if you need them. I try my hardest to eat at
all the really good places. – [Jonathan] Have you done
restaurant week, by the way? – I have done restaurant week. – Yeah, cool.
– So Ann Arbor does restaurant week like twice a year. There’s one in the summer
and one in the winter. And all of the nice
restaurants in Ann Arbor will do like a discounted meal. So you can go in and try their food– – Yeah, exactly.
– For a little less money. So I like doing that a lot. There are a lot of different
ways to work out in Ann Arbor, so I do yoga and pure barre. There’s so many different
yoga studios that are awesome. I love Tiny Buddha, it’s
like my favorite place to be. I know a lot of people who do Crossfit and also Orange Theory. A lot of residents and
faculty do Orange Theory, too. – Yeah, yeah.
– And then the other thing that I love is I love the Huron River. Like Ann Arbor’s this place where you have access to kind of
more metropolitan things like stores, and restaurants
and all of that stuff, but you also have this
like, magnificent river, and the Arb, and also state
parks that are also nearby in neighboring cities. And like, I went kayaking
on the Huron River this past Saturday, and that’s one of my favorite things to do.
– Yeah, super yes. – I saw like seven turtles,
which was like incredible. But I really, really love Ann Arbor, and it’s got a lot going for it. – Yeah, it’s a very active town, and you see a lot of people
spending time outside, especially when the weather gets good. – Mm-hmm.
– Yeah. And the other thing I think we’d be remiss without mentioning
game day in Ann Arbor. – Right.
– Oh, my God, yeah. – Oh my God.
– So we have a big home game coming up this weekend, but going to a Michigan game is like unlike anything else. It’s the biggest stadium in the country. – Biggest.
– So being there in the student section with 100 and what, 14,000
people every Saturday is something that’s
super, super fun and cool. – Yeah.
– Yeah. It’s definitely part of our culture here. – Absolutely. – Cool, thanks you guys. So next question is about interviews. So what was the most
surprising interview question that you were asked? And any advice for staying
calm on interview day? – Again, pretty fresh out of this process. (group laughing) But something that surprised
me was my interviewer was actually an M4. One of my interviewers was a student. And at some point in the
interview she asked me, she referenced something that I had said in my personal statement. Like one line. Very powerful line, but one line. And she said, “Can you
tell me more about this, “and what this term”, I think
it was like cultural humility, “Tell me more about what it means to you.” And I think that showed me that, one, she had really gone
through my application and like taken the time to get to know me on paper before she saw me in person, and two, that like, she really cared about what was important to me. ‘Cause obviously it was important to me, it was my personal statement. And we had a really good
conversation about it afterwards. And a way to stay calm. I know here at Michigan, Carol
and the whole admissions team does such a good job of helping you chill out in the morning. Like, literally, like I
walked in and I was like, kinda nervous, but she handed, Carol handed me a fortune
cookie and I opened it, and it’s like, “We already
like you, do your best.” And everybody got fortune cookies, with motivational quotes in them, and that was really helpful. But obviously that’s not how
it’s like at every school. But I would say, remembering
that you’re here for a reason. They invited you because
they like you on paper. And usually an interview, it’s two things. It’s one, an opportunity for you to get to know the school, and two, just to prove that you are who you said you are. So if you frame it that way, I think, it’s a little less scary. So just remembering
that you’re well-liked, this school likes you,
they wanna know you, and just as much as you’re trying to sell yourself to that school, that school is trying to sell
themselves to you as well. So that helped calm my nerves a bit, too. And practice. The more you practice
before your interview, the more chill your interview will feel. – Yeah. – And I would say, kinda
to piggyback off of that, just remember, like, it’s
a conversation more so, it’s not like, oh, I have to like, say it. I would stray away from
like, creating scripts and things like that, or ways
to answer certain questions. – Agree.
– Just because it seems more natural if you just have, if it flows a little better, as opposed to it seeming like, oh, like I’m sticking to this one script. And if it deviates from the script, then kind of like, I’m struggling. But I would say just like be yourself. Which I know can sometimes
sound a lot easier than it actually is, but just be yourself, and just try not to
worry about it too much, because at the end of the day, if they invited you
there for an interview, they do already like you. So it’s just a matter of
like, you showing them, like, who you really are,
and like your true self. – Absolutely.
– Yeah. Oh, go on.
– No, go ahead. – One piece of advice that I’ve given to a lot of people that
I know who’ve applied to medical school. So I remember one interview that I did. It wasn’t the one for Michigan, where I just, I did not
feel confident at all, and I feel like confidence is a big part of how naturally you
go about an interview. So I went to this interview, even the way that I did my hair, it just didn’t feel like me. And I was so self-conscious
the whole time, and kind of nervous and stumbled through the whole interview, and I didn’t get an
offer from that school. And it made sense to me
because I did not feel like I was my best self.
– Yeah. – And so before the Michigan interview, because it was really important to me, I wanted to do well, actually, I was a student athlete, too. I played volleyball at Carlton. And we had this exercise at one point where like, we wrote a note to each other about the strengths that
we see in that person. And so I had a note that
was from one of my teammates where she told me all
of the positive things that she sees about me, and why she looks up to me as like, her teammate and her captain. And I read that to myself the
night before my interview, because I feel like this whole
process is such a challenge to your self-esteem and
your image of yourself, because you’re just
constantly questioning, like “Do people like me? “Am I selling myself enough? “Like, have I done enough?” And to have that reminder
that you are good, and there are these
wonderful things about you, and what things you need to emphasize when you’re at your interview day, like, that will help you be your most confident and best self. – That’s great, thanks you guys. Yeah, I always recommend to others just to be organic and
authentic when you’re there. And I think Michigan does a great job of making you feel
comfortable when you come in. At least that was my
experience when I interviewed. So thank you all. All right, this next question is about the MSCP program, so I will
go ahead and take this. I’m the one representative here tonight. So the question is, what did you choose to do your MSCP program in at Michigan, and how has your experience been thus far? So I’m in the molecular and integrated, my PC department is in molecular and integrated physiology. I study a cardiac disease called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy,
and I’ve actually gotten to work in both on
randomized clinical trial, both with human patients, I did that during my first
couple years of med school, and then I’ve taken that
idea that we’ve learned in the clinic and reverse translated that into mouse models in a
basic science research lab. So it’s been really rewarding to be able to work in both of
those areas of medicine, both in a human patient side and then begin to answer
mechanistic biological questions at a bench and doing research. The program is great. The leadership is fantastic. I think what Michigan tells
the prospective applicants is that the leadership,
the program leadership, Dr. Koenig, is that every student in the MSCP room gets lots of attention. And that’s so true. We have great support in our program. And I feel lucky, ’cause everybody in the leadership of the
MSCP knows who you are, and they’re always kind
of looking out for you. So that’s been quite special. And my experience has been great. The program has been going for 30 years. The Medical Scientist
Training Program aspect means that it’s an MD PhD program funded by the National Institutes of Health. There’s about 30 schools
or so in the nation that have that grant mechanism, and so that makes our funding very secure, and further like research
opportunities really good. So it’s a very strong program. So I’m happy, and it’s going along. It takes a little while, but it’s good. So yeah. The next question is about
support and community. What sort of resources
or support are available for underrepresented medical students at University of Michigan? – So I would say for that one, there’s an office here, it’s called OHEI, it’s like the Office of
Health, Equity and Inclusion. This office makes
themselves readily available to any student, not necessarily
like underrepresented, but it’s just like
available to any students. Their doors are wide open all the time, and they are just, if
you have any questions, concerns or anything,
typically I would say that they’re likely to
be your first go-to. Or even if you’re just like interested in like other things
outside of like, support. But if you’re like, “Oh,
like, I’m really interested “in like, this one particular like, aspect “of like, medicine that
I can’t really find “anyone else who’s doing”, that would be more so, I would
say go to office for that. They’re also like willing to like, also I just feel like in
general the admissions, or the–
– Administrators. – OMSE, the administration committee is very receptive of
students just like coming to them with any concerns. Then they can also kind of
point you in the right direction if they themselves can’t
in particular help you. – Great.
– And in terms of student groups on
campus, there are a lot of identity-based groups. So like there’s like, United Asian-American
Association of Medical Students, there’s Jewish Student Association, Middle Eastern American
Student Association, LANAMA, Latin American/Native
American Association. And so there are all of these
groups that you can join, but there’s also Student
Diversity Council, where there is a representative from each of those groups
that kinda meet together and also have a close relationship now with Student Council,
and so that’s another way of kind of joining a group that represents a cultural or community that you identify with or want to support, and also the Student Diversity
Council’s a great way that like, within our
school that those groups talk with one another. – Yeah. So that’s a nice segue, Sam. So the next question that’s
coming up is about community. And what I’d like to ask you is what other student orgs
are you involved in, if you’ve joined any yet. And how do you have the
time or make the time to participate in these
student organizations? – So when it comes to student orgs, I think it’s one of those
things where you kind of find the things that are important to you, and then you kind of make time for things that are important. Because like, at the end
of the day, like, yes, studying is really important, but being yourself and
being true to yourself, and also like doing things
that are important to you are kind of just equally
as important as studying. So for me, I’m in the
Black Medical Association, and I’m on the executive board for that. And it was just one of those things, it’s like, okay, like, I’m gonna sacrifice like an hour of studying this day to go to this meeting,
and I’ll just kind of make it up, like, somewhere else. So you kind of just like
rearrange your schedule. And that’s another good
thing about, like kind of just jumping back to our earlier question, like the curriculum is very flexible when it comes to kind
of like your scheduling as well as your timing and your testing. So you’re kind of on your own schedule, and they put a lot of
responsibility on you for that. So for me, I was able, I could say like, okay, I’m just gonna push off studying for an hour here, and
I’m gonna make that up like a little later in the day, but I’m gonna go and do this meeting. But another program that I’m in, it’s called Doctors of Tomorrow. And well, I was in that
I guess my M1 year, I guess I’m not anymore. But with that program,
it’s kind of like an outreach program to high schoolers, and I would say ninth
through 12th graders, or ninth through 11th graders. And it’s kind of a mentoring program for students who might be
interested in pre-health and things like that. So those were a couple of the programs, the student orgs that I’m in. I’m in a lot of other ones, but those are the two
big ones that I was in. – I think something just about
med school in general, too, is I feel like a lot
of pre-meds are really worried about building up a resume and checking off some
boxes as far as research, as far as community service, as far as clinical time. But what’s really nice about
med school is I feel like the people that are
involved in extracurriculars are involved in things that
they’re truly passionate about. They’re not really
trying to build a resume, necessarily for residency. So the things that they
put their time into they’re really passionate about, and they really kind of
delve their whole selves into those things. So I guess a couple
things I was involved in, is I volunteered at both
the student-run free clinic and the Delonis Center this past year. So two free healthcare organizations. So the student-run health clinic, the student-run free clinic is run by Michigan med students
from kinda top to bottom, and we go in either
Wednesdays or Saturdays to a little town called
Pinckney about 45 minutes away and give free healthcare
to the uninsured there. And the Delonis Center
is a homeless shelter in Ann Arbor where we have opportunities, I think, typically on Mondays to go in and provide free healthcare
and see people of Ann Arbor. So those have been
really, really cool, too. I’m also a member of the
Christian Medical Association. And then we actually are starting up and kind of rejuvenating a
Michigan Catholic group as well, which I’ve been a part of as well. – Awesome. – In terms of there was a
question about self-care earlier that you answered, but for me, and we’re gonna eventually get into why we picked Michigan later, and
I’ll come back to this, but being in student orgs is like the way that I take care of myself. It’s how I choose to spend my free time, and it’s the way that I get to meet people from other classes, do something creative, and just spend like an hour each week doing something that isn’t school-related. And for me, I really need that
to like stay a sane person, because I just like doing
a lot of different things. So in addition to the
musical that I’m helping run, I’m also one of the directors
for Biorhythms this year, so that is the student
dance group that we have. We have two showcases a year. We have all sorts of
dances that are in it, and it’s just like, an incredible time. You get to see your friends up on stage, like, doing some sick moves. And it’s like one of the best things about med school here, and like,
we are the only med school that has that. And that was very
important to me when I was choosing where to go. – Yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah, “The Smoker” and
Biorhythms is always sought out. – You should sign up for them.
– It’s a lot of fun. – I’m not biased.
(group laughing) – Cool, thanks you guys. All right, so next question
about global opportunities, if anybody has any familiarity. How do the global health
tracks concentrations work? And does your school help students with international rotations,
especially if they’re not in the global health path of excellence? – I know I’m still an M1, I’m like what, barely two months in. But I did talk to upperclassmen
before I came to Michigan, also part of why I chose Michigan is that I have these upperclassmen, but I know people who have done international experiences abroad, maybe as an elective or
as a research project, and it was not part of
the path of excellence. So that caters to that
part of the question. That it’s definitely possible. And you are not limited by your path in terms of like the opportunities when you are in the branches. So you can definitely do that, I know. – Yeah, so I’m an old geezer and the curriculum has changed
even since I was an M1. But my M1 summer I did
the global REACH program, which is, there are specific organizations in different countries that
Michigan medicine partners with and has these, like,
global health initiatives. And so I went to Beijing for seven weeks when I was an M1, and I did
hepatology research there. And so there is a kind of infrastructure for participating in global
research opportunities if that is something that
you’re interested in. I don’t know if it’ll necessarily happen during your M1 summer anymore, but in the branches, your M3 and M4 time, electives are like you sign up for things that you wanna do. You have to meet like certain requirements in order to graduate,
but you generally have the flexibility to like, pick
whatever rotations you want. I know people who have gone and like, they found like a language program in Peru and did that for like four weeks because they just wanted
to work on their Spanish and like, live in Peru for
four weeks, which is awesome. And you also have the
ability to just sign up for research experiences and
individually arranged electives that you can design. You can sign up for
international electives. I know people how did a general
surgery rotation in Brazil. I really think they just
wanted to go to Brazil. Maybe they wanted to do the surgery. But there are a whole
bunch of opportunities to explore things internationally, if that’s something that
you’re interested in. – Yeah, two of my classmates,
one of ’em went to, I think one of ’em went to Austria and one of ’em went to Switzerland, and one went into otolaryngology and the other is going
into general surgery. So there’s lots of opportunities
to go abroad in places. So pretty neat if you get
to go do those things. – Yeah, it’s cool.
– I was jealous. – I know. – Cool, so we’re moving on. Mentors are research is
the kind of next topic we’ll talk about. Is it possible to do
research during the first and second years of med school? And what kinds of
opportunities are available? Are professors readily
accessible to students as both professional and research mentors? – I can talk a little bit about this. So I’m not doing research yet. I’m trying to get my feet wet a little bit before I get into research. But a lot of my classmates
have found projects. And the professors are
actually really open about joining their labs. I think, I can count like
10 lectures I’ve had already where the professor will
leave their email address at the end and tell the students, “By the way, I’m working
on this really cool “stem cell research project,
and if you’re interested, “email me, join my lab.” And maybe the first month of school was just swamped with emails
about research opportunities that you did have to apply for, but they really have been encouraging M1s to take on research if they want to. By no means do you have to do research because there’s so much
time in the branches. And what that looks
like, I think is anywhere from five to 10 hours per week. So I would say it’s not as time consuming as maybe it was in undergrad. So it’s definitely doable during the year if you want it to be, but
it’s not a requirement. So I can attest to that.
– Cool. – And I’ll kind of speak on it from the other end. So I just signed up through a mentor to join his research project. So I’ll be doing that
more so in the branches. Granted, looking back I
do feel like I did have the time M1 year to do so if I wanted to. Probably not as much as I’ll be able to invest over the next couple years, or during my M3 and M4 year. But I will say like in
regards to second year, a lot of your focus is kind
of on working and studying. With that being said, my roommate wants to go into a very competitive specialty, so she’s like working on three
research projects right now. And them I’m like, I have
absolutely no time to do that. But we’re the same year, so she’s like, you kind of again, kind of find time to do the
things that you wanna do, and the things that are
important to you, again. But I think throughout the second year, which is our year of clinical rotations, you kind of, there are certain months where you’re really busy,
and then there’s other months where you’re like, not as busy. So in those months you
might invest more time in doing the research. You don’t have to study as hard because the rotations are a little easier. So I think it definitely is possible, it’s just a matter of, again, kind of rearranging your time and focusing on certain things at different times. – Cool.
– I think speaking to finding mentors here, I
think it’s really, really easy. – Yes.
– I think the vast majority of
faculty here love working with medical students in
whatever way possible. So for example, I went to a
random student interest group, and met one of the physicians there, kind of connected with her
on that like, dinner night. Ended up meeting with her in her office for an hour and a half
talking about my life, her life, her path in the field, and then ended up just becoming
part of her research team and adding a clinical research project in like April or March without really thinking about doing that
going into that meeting. So if you want those opportunities, they’re definitely there. And the opportunities to
interact and find mentors is extremely easy, which
I think was a huge thing of why I ended up coming
to Michigan as well. – Very cool. Yeah, and I just wanna
emphasize that I think there’s lots of different
types of research you can do. So you just mentioned clinical research. I do basic science research, there’s policy research, public
health types of research. So there’s tons of different
research opportunities, so I think that’s a nice thing as well. We have a lot of different
graduate schools at Michigan, so we have a lot of opportunity
in different departments, not only in medical school. So I think that’s another
strength of ours as well. – And one other great thing
I would say about Michigan in particular, is like
if you’re interested in something, even if it’s very specific, if you talk to someone and
they don’t necessarily, or if you talk to a faculty member and they don’t necessarily
have that connection that you’re looking for, they will point you in the
direction of the person who can help you best. And like, even if that’s
kind of like pointing you to different people a couple times, at the end of the day, they will make sure that you kind of find who you need to talk to to do whatever you wanna do. – Yeah, agreed, thanks y’all. Okay, moving on, we’re gonna talk about paths of excellence. Who is in a path, and which one and why? And how much time and
guidance did you receive in choosing your path of excellence? Anybody wanna take that question? – Sure.
– If they’re in a path of excellence.
– So I was in the scholarship of
learning and teaching path of excellence. I think as far as how
much introduction we had into the paths, there were
a couple of different weeks where we had info sessions with a whole bunch of different paths that we are potentially interested in. They kinda hosted like,
a 30-minute info session telling us kind of what the
expectations were in the path, what kind of projects
people could end up doing for their impact project throughout the rest of the
time in the curriculum. And kind of the things that
they would be covering. And as far as why I chose the scholarship of learning and teaching, I was really involved in admissions and interview days and
the Second Look weekend for this past year, and
I think being involved in something like admissions, or some kind of medical
education is something that I would love to do down the road. So that kind of seemed to
be a really good fit for me, but I have friends who are in
all kinds of different paths, whether it’s the innovation
path of excellence, the ethics path of excellence, global health and disparities, there’s kind of countless opportunities in different areas of focus if you have any particular
area of interest outside of specifically clinical medicine. – Cool.
– Yeah, I’m on the medical humanities path, and like, this is my spiel about a path. Okay, so correct me if I’m wrong. It’s not required. Like, that didn’t change, right? – No, yeah.
– Okay. So that’s the first thing I’ll say is that this isn’t a required thing. This is something that you opt
into if you’re interested in. And my spiel about it is like, the paths of excellence are a way for you to make the curriculum and med school resources work for you in something that you’re passionate about in a project that you
potentially wanna work on. So for me, I really
wanted to write a play, and I knew that on the
medical humanities path, like I would have the resources and the opportunity and the time to be able to do that in
the med school curriculum. And so it’s something
that’s like not necessarily, that like maybe I wouldn’t
have built-in time into the branches to be able to do, but because I did the
path, I could have that. And so don’t worry about it. It’s not something that you have to do. It’s purely like, if
there’s something that you’re interested in, like
ethics, or innovation, or global health, or a
scholarship in teaching, like, go and do that. The school is gonna support
you in your interests that kind of complement
your academic work. – Cool. And like a sub question that was asked is, can you combine two paths? And I think two paths is
not recommended due to time, but that sounds like you can kind of customize your path accordingly and that’s kind of what I
gathered from Kevin and Sam. Cool. All right, you guys, curriculum. How do you feel Michigan prepares you to address upstream health factors for your patients and beyond? So how do you feel prepared in addressing health factors for your
patients and beyond? So this might be for clinical students that have gone through. – I think a lot of different
medical school curriculums are starting to incorporate
more health system science and kind of a broader view of healthcare into what they teach medical students. And I think peppered
throughout M1 through M4 year, we have programming that relates to that. I have always felt like here at Michigan we always kind of talk
about the bigger picture. What are things that are
impacting our patients beyond what we immediately see in clinic or in the hospital, and what are things that we can do to be more
cognizant of those factors when we are trying to treat these patients as like, whole persons. I hope I’m interpreting
this question correctly. – I think you are, yeah.
– ‘Cause it’s gonna be really embarrassing if I’m not. But yeah, we had like a health
systems science lecture, and I remember they
gave us this analogy of, it’s kind of a morbid analogy, but it’s like you’re
sitting having a picnic by a river, and you’re seeing these bodies floating down the river. And so what they’re trying to teach us, or at least a lot of medical
schools are trying to do, they’re trying to teach you to not just, like, pull the bodies out of the river one by one, but kind of go upstream and figure out who’s pushing those bodies in. And so I think Michigan
has always had an eye to helping students
see the bigger picture, and we’re not just locked
into basic science, or, like, clinical medicine,
but thinking more broadly. – I’ll also kind of tie
into that and say that Michigan’s very, like,
team-based in general when it comes to healthcare. So it’s like, on one team
you’ll have social workers, pharmacists, like, medical
students, residents, interns. And kind of through all of that, that kind of helps maintain
the holistic picture of the patient, so it’s
like even if you’re like, kind of talking about this patient, and trying to figure out,
like, what you’re gonna do, how you’re gonna help this patient, there’s a social worker who is also, like, looking at that patient, like,
from a different perspective that maybe, like,
someone else was missing. So then they could give their input. And then you’re like, “Oh, like, actually, “I didn’t think of things that way.” So kind of, it’s very,
like, patient-centered, but it’s, like, through
multiple different, like, perspectives and multiple
different lenses. – Makes sense. Okay, next question has to
do with community engagement. Kevin talked a little
bit about this earlier with the Delonis clinic, the free clinic, but how does the University
of Michigan Medicine engage with their surrounding communities? I think you gave a couple good examples. You can bring those back up, Kevin, if you wanted to.
– Yeah, absolutely. So there’s a number of
different organizations and extracurriculars
you can get involved in. So the two I mentioned before, the student-run free clinic, which is something that I
think is really, really special about Michigan, and a ton
of students get involved in, whether that’s, like, in
a big leadership role, and kind of running those clinic days, or me, as just, like, a volunteer every so often in the clinic. Just getting out in the community and seeing kind of the patients as a first-year medical student who’s not in the clinical curriculum yet
was really, really valuable. And I think the same can be
said for the Delonis Center. Specially working with
the homeless population in Ann Arbor. There’s also, I think
a somewhat new group, that does street medicine in
both Ann Arbor and Detroit. So they go around in vans and see if people need healthcare
right three on the street. And we go through a training program to help out with those
kind of people as well. So those are just a couple of the ways that people have started to get involved. But I think, I mean, I’m sure there’s more that I don’t even know of. And if there are specific populations around Ann Arbor or Detroit, I think that’s a huge
focus of Michigan as well. And so if you have any great ideas as to how to further get involved, too, it’s something that’s definitely
at your disposal to do. – The medical school
is also super involved in fundraising for the community. So the Galens Medical Society is one of our largest
student organizations, and we have a fundraiser
every year called Tag Days. Where it’s like, the med students go out in the streets of Ann Arbor. Like, this is a tradition, like everybody knows when it’s Tag Days, and we raise, like, thousands, tens of thousands of dollars for children in Washtenaw County. And we choose as an
organization each year, what charities, and, like, funds, and groups we want to give the money to. And it’s a very, a process
that a lot of people put a lot of time, and
effort, and energy into because we want to find a way to give back to the community. And so that’s something
that I’ve been involved in. And Tag Days is a huge
tradition for all of us. Biorhythms, too, donates its money to local charities that
supports healthcare for vulnerable populations. But there are other ways to be engaged with the community in
addition to clinically. – Yeah, gettin’ lots of plugs in for Biorhythms.
– Yeah, I’m good. That’s what I’m here for.
– Maybe quickly, Dez and Sam, so I know you guys have been through your clinical
and clerkship training. Maybe you can tell prospective students about the opportunities
that you could train, like, do a clerkship somewhere outside of Ann Arbor if you wanted to, for family medicine or et cetera. Do you wanna talk a little
bit about that quickly? – Yeah, so I, actually,
for family medicine, I was at a non-Michigan affiliated clinic. I was in Livonia. And–
– Which is just east of Ann Arbor.
– Yeah, it’s just eat of Ann Arbor. It’s like a suburb of Detroit. And that was a really
fascinating experience because I did see a slightly
different patient population, and I got to see how providers work in a system that isn’t a Michigan system. And so that was a really nice experience. And I know on the
neurology clerkship, too, I think you could go to a clinic that’s in Jackson, which is
like 45 minutes west of here. – West, yeah.
– Yeah. – Cool.
– And also, I will say for family medicine,
there’s different sites. There’s sites in Ypsilanti, which is slightly just south.
– South of here, southeast? – Yeah, so south of here. There’s also sites in rural locations, there’s sites in, like, Ohio, which–
(group laughing) But there are multiple different sites. And Michigan’s willing to work with you. They allow you to kinda
rank where you wanna go, and you can explain, like,
why you wanna go there. So if you really wanna
do, like, rural medicine, you can say, like, “Oh,
I’m really interested “in this specific site that’s “on your list of places that I can go, “because I think I wanna do rural medicine “when I grow up and become a doctor.” – Yeah. – So they are flexible with that. And there’s also kind
of different populations that they kind of try to target for people who are interested in those particular populations. – Yeah.
– And I think that, that’s a great segue, Dez. It’s kind of a related question. Do you find there is
sufficient patient diversity at Michigan for you to
have adequate training during your clinical years? And that might be things like ethnicity, race, socio and economic
level, and pathology, or presentation of certain rare cases. – So yeah, I definitely think there is. And kind of tying into
what I was just saying. I think it’s also very
easy, or a lot easier here than it might be at other schools to kind of get those
opportunities and say, like, “Oh, I’m really interested in this. “Like, is it okay if
as a clinical student, “I go to this location to kind of like “further my education and to kind of like “get the most out of
this experience for me?” So Michigan has been, I
think, pretty receptive to that feedback, at
least, like, this past year as I’ve gone through. – In terms of patient population, so Ann Arbor does have a
very specific population that you’re treating. A lot of, like, local people are going to be, like, slightly wealthier, like a little bit more of
the same socioeconomic status and kind of ethnicity that you’ll see. But Michigan is like a
Level I trauma center, and we are a hospital that all
of the hospitals in Michigan, literally all of the hospitals in Michigan will send their most complicated, and interesting, and rare cases to, because we just have the resources and the expertise to
be able to handle them. So you will see really interesting
things that you won’t get to see at another type
of teaching hospital. That being said, because Ann Arbor has a very specific patient population, you actually do have so many opportunities to go to other hospitals in the area. So you can go to Saint Joe’s
for a few different clerkships, which is a community hospital. And you’ll get a certain type
of patient population there. I was in Ypsilanti at the clinic for my pediatric clerkship, and that is a lot of Medicaid patients, and a very different kind of
type of patient population than you see in Ann Arbor. I also did an emergency medicine rotation at Hurley in Flint, and that was, like, an incredible rotation. Very different place, very
different environment, but I learned a lot. You also can go to Henry Ford. And when you are a branches student and you are applying to residency, some specialties require
that you do an away rotation, or you can just do it for fun, but you can go to other states and other institutions
to see what it’s like to practice medicine there, too. – Okay. I’m gonna pick on you again, Sam. – Oh, cool.
– Because this question is for, and Dez, sorry, I’m not leaving, I’m
not gonna talk to you. We’ll come back soon. So for you all, how well prepared do you feel for matching
and residency in general? – Oh, my God.
– This has been pertinent for you?
– She just applied. – You, like, can’t ask me that, ’cause I just submitted my application. Obviously I’m scared out of my mind. No, I think I would say I’m, like, pretty confident in my clinical skill. That sounds really bold to say that. (group laughing)
I don’t know. I know.
– Keep going, yeah, that’s good.
– I feel pretty confident. Like, once you get to starting to do your sub-internships,
so when you’re like an M3, M4, a sub-internship, so an intern is the first year of residency, and a sub-intern is like a med student that’s trying to practice being an intern. And so when you start doing your rotations where you’re doing a sub-internship, it’s like everything
kind of comes together and you realize that you are competent and capable of handling
things with supervision. And so I think I’m pretty
well prepared for residency. That remains to be seen. But we also, like, the
different departments here are so supportive for all of the students. Like, I have met with so many different, I’m applying in emergency medicine, and I have met with so
many different faculty and mentors that have helped
me with my application process and have been truly very honest with me about what programs make sense for me, where I kind of sit relative
to other candidates, and the things I need to
emphasize on my application, and what I need to do
when I’m interviewing. And so I feel extremely well-supported. I feel like it’s too much hubris to say whether or not I’m, like,
gonna do really well in residency, but I’m not scared. And we also, they do a
boot camp right before. So at the end of your M4
year, you have a boot camp for all of the different specialties, which is like one month or two months of just dedicated, like,
high-yield, what you need to know your first day of
intern year information. And I know a lot of upperclassmen, who, after having gone through that feel so much more
confident in kind of going to whatever program that
they get matched into. So I have, like, no
concerns that I will be able to like, not kill anybody
when I start my residency. – Thanks, Sam, that’s awesome. Thanks for sharing,
’cause it’s so proximal to what’s going on in your life. Dez, you have any thoughts on that, given that you’ve just finished
your clinical rotations? Or you’re finishing, you’re almost done. – Yeah, so I have, I won’t be applying, I have another year before I apply, but I think just kind of
overall, the clinical, getting that additional,
getting the exposure earlier will be super beneficial and help me out, but also kind of the branches in general, the fact that I have
essentially, like, 18 months of flexibility where I’m just like, “Oh, like, I can do whatever I want “in these 18 months as long as I, like, “fulfill, like, six
months of requirements.” I think that’s also gonna help me a lot, because I’m someone who
I’m pretty convinced that I know what I wanna go into. And we just finished scheduling
the first six months, like, come from, like,
December to June of next year. So I’ve, like, lined up specifically, I’m like, “Okay, I wanna do
this month I wanna take this, “this month I wanna take this.” And this kind of like is prepping me and getting me ready for,
like, one, my application, as well as, like, what I’m gonna be doing for the rest of my life. So I think, granted I haven’t done it or gone through it yet like you have, but I think kind of
having so much flexibility to create my own schedule, we’re not, like, scrambling at the end, like, a couple months before applying. I think that’s gonna be
huge and super beneficial when I go to apply as well as, like, when I become a resident. – Cool, thanks, Dez. All right, I’m gonna throw
a question your alls way. What is M-Home and how
do you think about it? And what is it like also
learning in small groups? And how has that impacted your, both of those things,
M-Home and small groups, how has that impacted your
learning and development? – Yeah, I guess I can tackle
the small groups question. So I come from a really
small liberal arts college where the class sizes were
about 10 to 12 on the high end. So I absolutely love that that kind of learning environment, and while the lectures
aren’t all like that, there’s very specific dedicated
small group time every week. And one case of that is
in your doctrine groups, which is a group of, like,
10 or 12 of your classmates matched with two faculty, kind of teaching clinical skills, teaching different
health disparity lessons, kind of ranging a full
gamut of what you may see as a clinical student. In addition, there is
also various small groups throughout the week and
throughout the sequences that will, like, support and add to all of the lectures supplementally. And for those either, like, residents, or fellows, or attendings
will all kind of come and lead those smaller presentations. So we’ve had a ton of those recently in our transition
clerkships as we are about to start our clinical rotations. And those are so great to kind of be able to pick the ear of some of
the leaders of the field that are all around the
University of Michigan, and to not really feel
dumb asking questions that you may perceive to
be kind of silly questions. But just being in that
smaller learning environment, having the ability to
have those kind of small, intimate discussions I think was a great thing for our learning, and the development of our
foundational clinical knowledge. – I can talk a little bit about M-Home. – Great, please.
– So M-Home is, I guess the best way I can describe it is it’s like “Harry Potter”, where you get sorted
into one of four houses. And you get sorted during
your orientation week, so right off the bat I was
told that I was House Sanford. Go Sanford.
– Yes, Sanford. – Yes!
(group laughing) And I guess what M-Home
has done for me is, like, it takes this huge group of 170 students and divides them into fours. So being in that smaller group, it does make it easier
to get to know people. And each group is assigned, I think you get, like, a
physician faculty member who’s like a coach. So if you have any questions, like, related to being a doctor,
you have that person to coach you and ask them questions. But I think what’s been most impactful is my house counselor, Amy. I think any time if I’m
stressed out during the week, or I need help navigating
some aspect of the curriculum, but I don’t really wanna
ask a faculty member or someone who might judge me, or have, I don’t know,
just, sometimes it can be daunting to ask someone like a doctor. So Amy is our counselor, and I can go to her for anything
pertaining to curriculum, pertaining to wellness,
pertaining to student orgs. So I think that has been
one of the best things about M-Home for me. And it’s just like a great
way to build community. We just had the M-Home Olympics. – Yes.
– Super competitive. – Yes. – Yeah.
– Great, thanks. Okay, so we’ve got five
minutes left, y’all. We’re gonna have our
closing question here, and we’re all gonna answer it. And I think it’s important we do. So how did you know that
Michigan Medical School was the right fit for you? And now that you’re here, what is different about Michigan that makes it such a unique experiment? Experience, excuse me. I’ll start by saying I
knew it was the right fit because of the people. When I came here and
I had the interactions with people here, it felt very welcoming. It was a collaborative community. People are happy, people are healthy. It’s just a great place to be. And it’s a great place to be
personally and professionally. Like, Michigan is, like, we
have this great community but we’re also very excellent, so we really push hard
in what we wanna do. And so I’m super happy to
be here for that reason. And it started from the interview process, and it’s been that same way
since I’ve been in school. Both medical school and both
in graduate school for my PhD. – I think one thing to add to that, too, I think that’s absolutely
the answer I would give too, is the community of people
that I’m surrounded by. But one thing I love to say to friends who ask me about med school, or friends who are going and applying in, just ask about what a
Michigan student looks like. I think the one word that it kinda boils down to is passionate. I think so many of our
classmates are so passionate about so many different things. Whether that’s some aspect
of clinical medicine, whether that’s something about research, whether that’s something
about public policy, or something completely
outside, and exercise. I think it’s so great to be privy to so many different points
of view and perspectives, and just learning how passionate
everyone is about something and taking a little bit of that an enriching your own kind of education through your classmates, is, I think, something that makes
this place so special. – Yeah, it’s an infectious in that way, in that passion.
– Absolutely. – You all, what do you think? – Well, so again, I
think I was gonna kinda say the same thing. Just that feeling that
I got on interview day, of all of the places that I interviewed, no place made me feel
kind of like Michigan did. Like, I left Michigan,
like, my interview day, and I was like, “I’m going to Michigan.” – Yeah, felt good.
– And then I was like, “Oh, wait, I kinda gotta get in first.” (group laughing)
But it was just kind of, they were very welcoming,
they were very warm. They kind of convince,
or they convinced me that I wanted to go to Michigan before I even, like, got into Michigan. But other than that I
would say that kind of, I knew a lot of the medical students here before even starting, or before applying, just kind of through undergrads, and just like other jobs that I was doing. But just through communicating with them, and like hearing their aspect of things. Medical school is very hard. It’s like, at the end of the day, regardless of where you go,
med school is gonna be hard. And I think the important
thing is like making sure you’re like going to a school with people that will, like, support you. And I don’t necessarily just
mean, like, the faculty, or, like, the administration, but also, like, your
classmates, like your peers. It was like, everyone here
seemed like very friendly. They were all, like, very, like
warm and welcoming students. And that was something
that was really important to me as well, because I
didn’t wanna go somewhere where, like, medical, I was
like, med school’s hard enough without the aspect of competition. So that was something. And like the fact that Michigan
was pass/fail curriculum was also huge, ’cause I was like, at least that takes one level
of stress off of things. I was like, “Okay, as long
as I pass, then I’m okay.” And like, the rest of things
will just kind of like fall together, like fall
into place over time. – Thanks, Dez.
– Mm-hmm. – I picked Michigan because at
like all of the other schools that I interviewed at, which wasn’t many, but, like, the
extracurriculars they had were, like, the internal
medicine interest group, and that was it. But then here, to echo everything that everybody has already said, like, med school is very
hard, but it can be fun. And Michigan was the place
where I knew I could have fun, and I have continued to have fun for the past four years.
– And tying into that, I will also say that if there’s something you are interested in
doing that doesn’t exist here at Michigan, they are extremely open to you starting, like,
your own interest group, or you can literally do whatever you want. You can start a new organization and just like, you can find people to help fund that organization,
and then you can, like, get people to join it. So that was something that
I’ve never even heard of at other places. It’s like, “Oh, like I’m really interested “in like, this one,
tiny aspect of something “that no one else has probably heard of, “I’m gonna start my own group for it.” And Michigan will actually,
like, support you in doing that, which I thought was just amazing. – Yeah, I guess that ties
into why I picked Michigan, was because I felt that whatever it is that was important to me, or that I wanted as some
aspect of my career, like, for example, the Arab community is very important to me. I’m from Dearborn, and that’s
a big population there. And I knew that there were upperclassmen, I had also known a lot of upperclassmen who went to Michigan and talked to them, but that population
meant a lot to them, too, and so they started, like, the Arab-American Health Initiative. And I’m like, “Oh, my God,
they just started this thing “from the ground up”, and
now all these students are involved, and they’ll go do work with, like, a free clinic in Dearborn to get more hands-on
experience with that community. And that’s something that
I wanna do in the future. So the fact that that
already existed here, and that one day I can be a part of that and help that grow was
a big aspect for me. And knowing that in the
future if there’s anything I cared about or wanted to start, that I had the resources
and the support to do that. And echoing, I guess,
what a lot of people said, is the people, the support here. The classmates are very collaborative. Pass/fail helps make it
that we’re not competing, and that is huge, I think, for wellness. So definitely those aspects. – Okay, great, y’all. We’re gonna close now. Thanks so much for
answering those questions. Thank you, everybody, for watching. You can watch this again on Michigan Medicine’s YouTube channel. I wish you all a good night, and go Blue! – Go Blue!
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